The facts are pretty much known now. Indeed, Newsweek has picked up the Miami Herald story and run it nationwide.
While sitting on the appellate court in Miami, Judge Bronwyn Miller had on an on-going text correspondence (and perhaps multiple phone calls) with the elected State Attorney about the Corey Smith case where Judge Miller is a witness. She did this while other prosecutors went into court and told circuit court judges that Judge Miller was not speaking with anyone without a subpoena- which was a bold-faced lie to the court.
Judge Miller reviewed the appellate brief of the Attorney General in the Smith case and told the elected State Attorney the problems in the brief and changes to be made. This is a shocking breach of ethics if not morals. Although not assigned to the case, upon her elevation to the Third District Court of Appeals, Judge Miller had to have abandoned any pretense of advocacy for any side in any case. Even where her Court would have ruled against a case she prosecuted, Judge Miller was required- in our considered opinion- to want only that her Court reach the correct decision- even if that decision negatively opined about her prior work as a prosecutor. Such is the exalted role of an Appellate Judge- in our opinion. Essentially sacrificing her personal opinions and feelings for the desire only that her Court get it right-even if she- in her prior position- "loses". Judge Miller did not do this- she in fact did the opposite.
And finally, Judge Miller opined against the ethics of defense attorneys in general, giving rise, in our opinion, to the well-founded belief that she cannot be fair in any criminal case moving forward.
Any- and we do mean any- first year assistant public defender has more ethical decency in their pinky than Michael Von Zamft demonstrated as a prosecutor in the Dade County State Attorneys Office. How could she possibly denigrate the ethics of our profession in light of what we all know MVZ did? Such a statement was shocking in its ignorance and disrespect for our profession. A profession that hands out an award named after President John Adams in honor of his defense of British Soldiers accused of murder in Boston. A profession that routinely goes into court and saves the lives of wrongly convicted men and women when their actions are ridiculed and viewed with skepticism- until they show that they are right, and the system got it wrong.
Judge Miller was elevated to the most rarified air of the bench- the appellate court. Her actions are indefensible, and she has, in our opinion, forfeited the right to serve in such an exalted and important role.
That is our opinion.
What say you?
151 comments:
Judge Miller is probably one of the fairest judges we have on the third. I read most of the opinions weekly and her name is on more reversals than probably any other judge. While I disagree with her comments and take issue with her statements against Judge Wolfson, I don’t think she should resign and she is better than most options on the third. Regarding the comments of the defense bar, it’s a factual statement that defense attorneys don’t have to comply with the same ethical duties as prosecutors. Prosecutors have a duty to disclose exculpatory evidence and other duties that defense attorneys don’t have. Be careful what we wish for if we are asking for her to resign.
No problem in paragraph 1
no problem in paragraph 2 - here u are wrong on the law.
big problem in paragraph three - she needs to resign.
Kathy should resign, she’s corrupt
She should not only resign but at the very least get a public reprimand not the written opinion type but the get scolded in front of the Florida Supreme Court Type.
You act like cases routinely get reversed. So what, now and then there’s a reversal with her name on it? For every one of those there is 100 PCAs.
Just because defense attorneys don’t have the same discovery obligations that does not mean we are not held to the same ethical standards. Prosecutors ethical standards are not “higher” — the violation of them just has more far reaching consequences.
YES. ABSOLUTELY. Judge Miller must resign.
In many knowledgeable folks opinion - not only for her unethical conduct in these “secret” conversations by text with the prosecutor, but by the “coverup” of not turning these relevant texts over.
By trying to keep them a secret. By impeding the discovery of the texts.
It seems that the Florida Supreme Court will review her conduct, and those who advised her and guided her not to produce her texts, and vote to remove her from the bench.
That’s it. Nothing else to discuss. Rumpole is 100% correct. How can any litigant ever trust her again?
Any appellate attorney in their right mind would say YES! Yes, she needs to resign. I don’t want a judge ruling on my cases who texts KFR shit talking defense attorneys and judges. She has an agenda, whether it’s just on Corey’s case or others too (her comments RE bail bond seem to suggest she has an agenda on other cases too)… how can we trust her? It sucks that she may have been a “defense friendly” judge. Not that I agree with that, but it is not an excuse to ignore this impropriety and behavior — she should’ve known better.
If she doesn’t resign, there needs to be consequences. A public apology. A deposition for Corey’s counsel to ask her questions (that she’s got to actually answer). A request for the rest of the texts because there’s got to be more.
Oh and why are not calling for the resignation of KFR? As if she is some innocent party in all this? Her behavior was just as appalling if not more. She acquiescence in Miller’s comments. I’m actually surprised they didn’t move to recuse Wolfson at Miller’s request. Why is she off the hook??!
Prosecutors have a duty to turn over exculpatory evidence , only because that is the law.
Dear Mr./Ms. 6:53: Bullshit. There is no excuse for her behavior. Why do I assume Judge Miller wrote that comment herself.
653 you confuse an ethical duty for ethics. And how do you explain MVZ in light of his ethical duties ? Your logic is such that a defense attorney could never be a judge or like John Adams vice president and president.
Why doesn’t Kathy handle cases herself?
Perhaps
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Kathy!! Speak we need you !
Miller did not do anything wrong. She wasn’t just a witness, she was part of the pros team. If she was in private practice, nothing she did would have mattered one bit. She was disqualified from having anything to do with the case as a judge because she prosecuted it. There is not one thing she did in her official capacity as a judge. Get over it. She said some mean things in the heat of the moment, in private texts, we all have. None was intended to be public except her testimony, and in the hundreds of comments, not one person has pointed to a single thing she said on the stand that has been called into question.
6:53 here. MVZ has no ethics. I never said he did. Miller acknowledges that and probably got carried away with the comment regarding defense attorneys generally. But it is a factual statement in the context of the ethical obligations prosecutors have compared to defense attorneys. If you have miller on your panel, you have a better chance than with most other judges. Name another judge from the third you would prefer on your panel. She is definitely wrong in sending the texts she sent but she is probably the best judge for the defense in the third. If you don’t agree, name who you think is better and why. She’s always been a great judge, including when she was in civil. In the third, she is more prepared than the other judges at the oas. Watch the oas on the 3dca website and watch how she knows the record on every case she presides on. She is a fair judge that said things she probably wishes she didn’t say. She rules based on the law on every opinion I’ve read, and like I said before, I read all of them- every Wednesday. The biggest issue I have with her texts, are the comments about Wolfson.
Absolutely resign. Don’t go through a JQC investigation and Supreme Court removal.
Go mediate civil cases. Great dressed up and have your fancy lunches with your crony friends. PS. Maybe they won’t be your friend anymore after this embarrassment.
How could you mess up a job like no other. All the prestige. All the honor. Sad commentary on a presumptive that judges all have integrity and are neutral arbiters.
You will be fine Judge Miller. A big civil firm will give you a nice office and people will still call you “Judge” at your favorite restaurants.
I agree. This goes for civil cases too: an appellate judge advised a litigant in a circuit-court case in her jurisdiction on how to proceed, and critiqued and proposed changes to a draft filing !! At the very least, this shows that the presumption that judges enjoy of being nonbiased (sure) is BS — more like, “you haven’t caught me yet.” I couldn’t trust Miller on a civil appeal either. Beyond Miller resigning — a must — the entire Third District ought to issue a public apology. I don’t know what kind of a ship Logue had been running over there, but I don’t like the cut of his jib. You would think that there would be periodic trainings or at least reminders like “don’t forget to not do boneheaded sh** like suggesting changes to a draft filing in an Eleventh Judicial Circuit case.” The next time I hear anyone on the Third preach or get all high and mighty about ethics and professionalism I’ll be strained to keep a poker face.
Also KFR needs to apologize, needs a public reprimand, and needs to voluntarily resign. Shame!
KFR should be smart and retire as State Attorney. Her 30 years as State Attorney would get her 90% of her average top five years salary, pls an extra 20% for her time as an ASA. Her retirement would be 110% of $169,000 a year. Plus $30K in social security.
If KFR retires she can ditch any personal inquiry and Gov. DeSantis could appoint Miller as State Attorney
Bronwyn?
No no make this all go away!!!
Hell YES!
Her resignation need not be based on a review of pleadings but not correcting a misrepresentation to the court and trashing judge Wolfson.
Or FBI director. Let’s go Kash !
Her entire credibility is now called into question. That is partly why the state has to plead the case.
Gaetz is the new AG, I see plenty of indictments on the way. Prepare yourself. End the corruption!
Public reprimand and go into private practice.
SAO needs an overhaul. New leadership at all high levels. It’s a disgrace how unprofessional, unethical, incompetent that office is run. Miami-Dade deserves better. Kathy have some dignity and resign. She’s too old and disconnected to the everyday operations. Her chiefs and ASA’s are all rogue and corrupted.
I agree except for Miller being the SA. There is a Republican out there I’d love to see be appointed. Tall guy very knowledgeable. You’ll see.
“Kathy Speak” 😆 she’s like most politicians after an election. Out on vacation.
I have handled JQC cases. She is in big trouble. Judges cannot give legal advice at all... not even one short comment. She should have known better. Kathy Rundle should have stopped the conversation on her first text. She knows better. This makes all of us look corrupt. Miller must resign.
Your not totally wrong.
President elect Trump’s Nominee for Attorney General, Matt Gaetz has announced that he will appoint Judge Bronwyn Miller as his Deputy AG for Criminal Justice.
I’m hearing that her resignation is imminent. It’s the best thing to do.
I think Stephen Mitchell should have joined MVZ the same day he resigned
Presumably part of her current job is reading transcripts of trials and motions presided over by Judge Wolfson. She cannot do that. Thus, she cannot fulfill the obligations of her current job. Sad but obvious conclusion. No prison inmate can spend years in a cage trusting he had every access to a fair arbiter. That makes the decision easy, no matter the cost to her reputation or income. Its the prison inmate the state has the duty to focus on. Sucks, but nobody's fault but her own.
The president-elect is a felon, who was found by a jury to have sexually assaulted a woman, and who attempted an auto-coup 4 years ago. An appellate judge texting the state attorney about how to run a case is nothing. Anything goes.
I agree.
Even Miller said it… she doesn’t know what’s going on in that office. Nobody does. It’s crazy.
After long thought … cue up Mack The Knife …. “ when the shark bites with his teeth babe Scarlett billows start to spread , fancy gloves oh wears old macheath babe so there’s never a trace of red …”. Calling the Shumie on Miller. Stick a fork in her. She’s done. Mack the Knife.
Love the Shumie and Mack the Knife. Lethal combo. Agree she’s done. Like Nixon in 72 a few 3rd DCA colleagues need to see her and tell her the gig is up. It was a good gig. But it’s up babe.
One thing has nothing to do with the other. You’re an idiot.
You have clearly been misinformed
And Rundle gets off Scott free?
Should she resign? Yes.
Will she? Anyone who practiced before her when she was on the bench knows that she won't because she can do no wrong. She is infallible in her mind.
Oh no. They are coming after Scott too. He’s not getting a pass. No way. No how.
i kinda felt she might be able to survive this but then they Mack The Knifed her. And along with being Shumied who has ever survived that ? Trump? Lmfao get out the butter cause she’s toast.
Of course they have to do with each other. When people like Trump, Gaetz, DeSantis, Taylor Greene, etc have power with no accountability, it makes people like Miller think they’re untouchable.
Who is Scott?
Miller needs to go. It will be interesting to see her next moves. I wonder how will she behave when she encounters a defense attorney from now on? You know everyone will be talking about it tonight at the FACDL happy hour.
It has everything to do with it. There are no consequences anymore for bad acts. Only power or no power. Decency is dead. We live in a cynical, nihilistic, declining state. She has no reason to resign. Come and get her and drag her off the bench if you can. And if she has powerful friends, dragging her off the bench will only end up being to her benefit.
Rick Scott ?
Disbarred
Kash? Defense Attorney? That’s laughable. He did time at the PD’s office like he was serving a sentence. He’s no defense lawyer. He’s pond scum.
Crybaby cry, cry, cry, cry, cry cry
A judge commenting in a case she handled before becoming a judge and which she is not presiding over. A judge privately bad mouthing other judges and the lawyers who took over her case to her old boss, and telling the SAO that it is a shambles. Judges shouldn’t take sides in active cases and they shouldn’t say things like file a motion to recuse, or be disparaging. Judge Sayfie and Judge Wolfson are outstanding judges, two of the best on our bench—and I’ll support them for as long as they preside. But the context matters, and these are private texts between a judge and someone who redacted the texts to leave out her part in the story. I’m glad the JQC will resolve this because I think Rundle is happy with the focus not being on her and that may have been the whole point of these disclosures—not some great fidelity to Brady or some desire to clue the defense bar in on a supposedly anti-defense judge. I also suspect that the racket on this blog is the sort of racket Rundle wanted, though I don’t know to what end. So, I’d just urge folks to hold fire and let the JQC do its thing.
Andrea is conservative folks And a former prosecutor. Let’s go ahead and implode our own party by somehow defending Bronwyn Miller — she needs to step down. She is a trouble causing arrogant jerk.
This adds nothing
We are literally ruining our community for Bronwyn Miller. We don’t need her…
Them: "Nothing to see here."
You can fool some people some times. You can't fool all the people all the time.
Who are you talking about??
Please add something valuable or explain what you were actually talking about…
RELEASE THE PRISONERS
OPEN UP THE JAILS
PRODUCT OF THEIR CIRCUMSTANCES. REHABILITATE THEM
She must resign.
If not, there is no doubt. The JQC will remove her.
Kathy only makes a measly 169K a year. Embarrassing
“Katherine Fernandez Rundle what have you done to my office. “- Janet Reno
For those trying to defend Judge Miller by saying she was just a witness simply don’t get the legal, ethical and judicial rules that supposedly govern Judges actions. Judges like Lawyers are governed by the Judicial/ Professional rules 24/7 365 (356 on leap year) , if they are working or not. Shoplift, get a DUI , try to get out of a ticket by ID-ing yourself as a Judge, you can get disciplined or removed from the bench ( disbarred as a lawyer) . Being a witness does not excuse improper conduct.
Quid pro quo
The story has gone national:
https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/appeals-judge-told-state-attorney-how-to-handle-resentencing-while-badmouthing-others-texts-show?utm_source=sfmc&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=weekly_email&promo=&RefId=&utm_id=933022&sfmc_id=50759848#google_vignette
BM's affirmative defenses:
1. KFR forced me to say these things
2. Wolfson and Sayfie are mean girls
3. Defense Bar is an actual bar 🍷
4. I was recused exception
5. Witness exception
6. Former prosecutor exception
7. Failure to state a claim for Idiocy
8. Voluntary Intoxication 🍷
9. Huh?
10. Que?
11. I'll attend your next social
12. Look at the cute kitty😺
Yes, she doesn’t understand that the days of pushing people around in that office to accomplish a result are gone…
She makes almost 250 idiot… the brain cells that we have to use to read comments by people who have no idea what is going on or care about the truth of what they say is ridiculous
Bronwyn Miller = Snow White
She is the fairest in the land or the fairest of them all.
She is obviously the most gentle, loving and compassionate person in the kingdom.
It is good to be king.
You are a moron.
Newsweek! LOL
Rumpole. … this is a terrible mark on our system. How could she not be removed by the JQC and the Florida Supreme Court? She is still out there having lunch with KFR. Lots of lawyers saw them at a birthday party. Appearance of impropriety? Saw them together partying like nothing was happening. Not great common sense ?
Why are there no term limits for state attorney and pd but there are for governor and state legislature? I have an inquiring , non attorney mind and I want to know?
tough crowd!
What is going on here?
Judge Miller should absolutely not resign. She is the most moderate and favorable judge that we have on the 3rd, not to mention brilliant! If she were to resign she would be replaced by an extremely conservative DeSantis appointee. We need to think long term and not be so short sighted. Yes she shouldn’t have sent some of those text messages but I would hate to think what would happen if we were all demonized based upon our very worst day!
Interesting how none of the comments submitted here in support of Judge Miller over the past 2 days have been published. Seems like a hit job to me.
$218,939 to be exact
Judge Miller's text messages to Katherine Fernandez Rundle were not done in her capacity as a District Court Judge. Lawyers talk about other lawyers. Lawyers talk about other Judges. Judges talk about other lawyers. Judges talk about other judges. This is the reality of our profession folks. Nothing Judge Miller stated in her text messages were done in her official capacity as a Judge nor form a basis for her to resign. If we want to focus on Judges who should resign, let's focus on those who have poor judicial temperament, cancel hearings at the 11th hour and take 8 months to enter an Judgment, not one of the finest Judges on the Third District Court of Appeal who did nothing wrong.
Ok Bronwyn, or Matt, or minion, who cares
I think you forgot to make “day” plural
Au contraire my dear Watson, those that have been published were voted most substantive and persuasive - and you see how that’s going 💩 - the others would’ve just been comic relief
How do you know what comments are not being posted if they’re not being posted? 🤣 Sounds like you’re staging a conspiracy
I also agree
Rundle is like a battered wife with her. It’s weird!
Said no one who ever argued or submitted a criminal appeal to the 3rd where she was on the panel.
Who cares what she is.
Bronwyn can you come up with a better defense?
Kathy wants you to focus on Bronwyn.
Why was it only MVZ that resigned? Kathy and her chiefs knew what he was doing? Stephen Mitchell, Kathy all the Chiefs absolutely knew. He was a scapegoat. They let him run wild.
You are Bronwyn
Yea but even lawyers (not sitting as judges) should be trashing sitting chief judges. This kind of seems weird and not defensible. But sure let’s keep fighting….
Old news… Move on… He was not a scapegoat… He was a wild and rogue prosecutor… There’s a difference
I would love one of Judge Miller’s supporters To say how and why trashing, two chief judges is OK and how pushing the state attorney to file a meritless disqualification motion of Wolfson is OK. You are focusing on everything else except for those issues. Please, someone address this and maybe others of us will see something different in how you could possibly defend that behavior.
This is so dumb. Her supporters or alleged supporters are not addressing the actual issues— forget about her acting as a lawyer, she trashed two chief judges, and tried to force the state attorneys office to file a disqualification motion of Wolfson that had no basis in the law….. please defend that.
Clearly you have no grasp of where the proceedings were nor her role in them. When you take into account the context, this was absolutely improper.
Care to comment on her directing KFR to edit pleadings that were filed in her court?
MVZ and Judge Miller have literally ruined this case because of their absolute arrogance. Now, let’s see who else they try to take down because of both of their incompetence.
Don’t give me that plausible deniability BS. You knew it you let run wild.
Now let’s focus on other judges to take the light of someone else’s incompetence and unethical behavior. Great plan! Is this your standard for one of the “finest judges on the third DCA”? What have we become?
This👆
Too arrogant to resign or apologize
Fajardo running against Sayfie all makes sense now. Is that Bronwyn and KFR’s agenda? Pretty scary and disgusting.
Let’s assume she can correct facts. According to those published texts, she literally ordered the SAO to file a motion to disqualify Wolfie. Thank God there were people with balls to say no.
The irony is Miller trashing him in text messages basically saying he’s too incompetent to handle a death case…
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Happy Birthday blog. Good distraction! Crazy that it’s been 19 years.
Absolutely true. Kathy and her chiefs have taken a plausible deniability stance on this. It’s clearly evident. How can you not know what was going on. It’s Kathy’s MO. For years it’s always the excuse her chiefs keep her out of the loop. Bull shit she’s not as dumb as you all think. It’s a strategic political move.
You mean to tell me no one wanted to run against Kathy last election she was up? Yet you come here and trash her.
Kathy is the only one to blame.
How many times have we heard judges tell ASA's that the job of the prosecutor is to do justice while the job of the defense attorney is to win the case? Janet Reno would often tell it to her ASA's.
According to the texts, Judge Miller's explanation for MVZ ethics as a prosecutor was that he used to be a defense attorney.
Happy Birthday! 19 years flies by too quickly.
Imagine being a defendant who just lost at trial, got a 30 year sentence, and now is waiting for the appeal to finish. You hear one of the Judges on the panel for your case is Judge Miller. You hear about this story and read her texts with the State Attorney and how this other case was handled. Should this defendant believe he is getting a fair shot with Judge Miller on his panel?
MVZ is a scapegoat. Kathy and the chiefs for sure knew what was going on. When the shit hits the fan it’s Plausible Deniability. It’s how she works. Some of it is is probably set up.
Nothing will happen!
I can’t stand all you cancel culture proponents; you all repulse me
Are you following this saga, Rumpole?
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article294443949.html
As one of Rump’s longest standing fans, thank you for pointing that out - Happy 19th, Rump, and thank you for the Blog !!
Long live Gosney! #bringbackGosney
She must resign
Courthouse coup d'é·tat
Let's remember newly-elected Judge Woody Clermont's recent post on this blog and consider whether it was appropriate. Here's what he wrote:
Thank you everyone on your well wishes. Yes the State Attorney's Office treated me like absolute dirt except for Deisy Hernandez who was an exception. And when I was willing to let bygones be bygones, they treated me like dirt again unwilling to let bygones be bygones. Thank God, for their ruthless consistency. Everything happens for a reason. Rejection is truly protection - I went on to do amazing things elsewhere because of how poorly they treated me. I therefore humbly thank Chiefs like Arrojo, Horn, and the others for their awful conduct, because it took me to exactly the great workplaces that amplified and recognized my talents, rather than defecate on them.
Woody Clermont
Friday, November 08, 2024 5:34:10 PM
Had not seen this. Did she end up serving the 364? What an injustice.
I’m just sick of all these problems and behind the scenes horror stories in our Miami criminal justice system.
It’s a black mark on fairness. There is no justice when there is even the appearance of injustice.
Please Judge Brownyn Miller - resign.
Please KFR - resign.
The Herald - please keep exposing bad conduct.
JQC - - investigate immediately.
Recall election of Judge Miller? They did it in San Francisco and Oakland.
This isn’t “cancel culture” this is “hold judges accountable culture”
Do you know what accountability is? Or is that something only a young black man being sentenced to life in prison should bear?
@10:38 not too incompetent but too unethical… scary, right?
He’s been the prosecutor on so many death cases and so many life cases. My heart hurts for the number of people who were victims to his unethical prosecutorial behavior and in prison behind it now.
If the texts are so “innocent” and “not that bad….” Why did state waive death penalty the minute they were disclosed?! After clinging to it for 25 years?! LOL stop. The defending of this makes you look just as stupid. And the state’s statement of why they waived death is stupid too. You waived it because you all look STUPID AND CORRUPT. Period.
Don't worry, they repulsed over half the country so now we're running the show
Its consequences not cancel culture.
Greetings everyone nothing here to see here. Hope you ASA’s are at the office prepping your calendars. The best team in America!
Congrats Rump & Captain. Wishing both continued success.
Like I said, she should not resign. The president-elect is a felon. Consequences no longer exist. You either have power or you don’t, and she has power.
This is a good one
With her name recognition no one was going to win if they filed against her. Discussing what she did is not trashing her, it's discussing the facts as they appear in HER TEXT MESSAGES.
She is a member of the Federalist Society dude. What part of "hates everything dealing with the rights of an accused" do you not get?
How is it not appropriate? He is speaking about his personal experience at a job that treated him poorly. This has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
If it’s all a social construct and consequences no longer exist, why do defendants have to be the only ones that play by the courts rules and get consequences? If one side is going to rail against the system, the other side should too.
Looks appropriate to me. Truth hurts. Always remember to treat your employees like human beings.
Of course the SAO, Bronwyn or anyone of their agents at 9:27 am would make such an asinine comparison. Grasping at straws much these days?
How the hell can you have a single judge on the DCA who cannot hear any criminal cases? Go away Brownyn.
Miami Herald article looks like it was updated this morning for a retraction: “This article has been updated to remove a quote about Judge Bronwyn Miller’s involvement in the case against Corey Smith.” Sounds like they knew they were about to get sued for defamation, and rightfully so.
Good for her! Sue them!
This shit is exhausting. Can you all either file your grievances with the bar/JQC or move on? This anonymous shit talking a) screams cyber bullying and b) completely violates bar rules, too. Put your name to your posts if you want to shit talk, and see how the bar feels about your remarks.
You dummy - they are trying to help her… And clearly you’re not…
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