We awake to a new landscape in America today. It is not, as Ronald Wilson Reagan said, "morning in America again". It is, as Winston Churchill said, "not the end, not the beginning of the end, but perhaps the end of the beginning."
We are speaking about the second federal indictment of the 45th president of the United States for conspiracy to defraud the United States which was unsealed on Tuesday of this week.
Think about that last sentence and cringe that such a sentence could be written about a former president.
And then be proud that we live in a country where such a sentence could be written.
The indictment is a remarkable document. Words matter. When people in power lie with the intention to disenfranchise the American electorate, it is a crime.
Item: The defendant REPEATELDY and publicly stated 36,000 non-citizens voted in Arizona when both authorities in Arizona and his own election team investigated the claim and found it to be untrue. [Indictment, para. 19]. Having been told it was not true, the president continued to tell the American public it was true.
Item: After his chief of staff PERSONALLY witnessed the Georgia signature verification process for ballots and told the President that it was being done correctly, the President told the American public that the Georgia officials were "terrible people" trying to obstruct the signature verification process. [Indictment, para. 28].
Item: The defendant repeatedly told the American public that 5,000 dead people voted in Georgia after being repeatedly told by his own staff and the Georgia elections officials that the number was two. [Indictment para, 31c]. The defendant then attacked the Georgia officials and tweeted that the number of dead people who voted in Geogia was over 10,300. [Indictment, para. 33].
Item: After stating that more than 205,000 people had voted in Pennsylvania than were registered to vote, both officials from Pennsylvania and his own campaign told the defendant that number was not correct and the official vote tally was less than the number of registered voters. The defendant then publicly and continually made that claim and called the Pennsylvania officials "cowards". [Indictment, paras. 40-44]. The defendant then made the same claims about Wisconsin after being told the same thing. [Indictment, paras. 50-52].
WORDS MATTER. Read the indictment. What the former president and his cabal of co-conspirators did was unconscionable. We never thought we would say this, but God Bless the Prosecutors working on this case with the courage to bring this indictment.
Speaking of courage, when Rusty Bowers, the Speaker of the Arizona house, continually refused to say what the former president and his co-conspirators told him to say (that the election results in Arizona were based on fraud that affected the outcome) he was publicly attacked by the former president at the time he was president and lost a primary election. Bowers had told the former president and his coconspirators at the time that he would not "play with the oath" he had taken to uphold the Constitutions of Arizona and the United States, Bowers was subsequently the recipient of the John F. Kennedy Profiles In Courage Award. An award that will never be mentioned in the same sentence as the defendant and his co-conspirators.
Speaking of co-conspirators, we think the following: EVERY unindicted co-conspirator in the indictment will be charged in a superseding indictment, and that includes Rudy Giuliani (CC#1), attorney John Eastman (CC#2), attorney Sydney (wack-adoodle) Powell (CC#3)and former DOJ official Jeffrey Clark (CC#4).
We live in a country where no one is above the rule of law. Make no mistake about this, this indictment is seismic shift in the prosecution of the former president. The indictment in the SDFL is a Hialeah traffic ticket in comparison to these charges. The former president will be found guilty and he should be sent to prison for the lives he ruined and what he tried to do.
If the indictment doesn't come up (we are experiencing technical difficulties, here is a link to the indictment in PDF format.)
Indictment 2 by Anonymous PbHV4H on Scribd
44 comments:
Trump's behavior has been indefensible for some time. Fox News tries to downplay it. They cry that the left is politicizing the criminal process. But note, Trump supporters have not denied the well-documented behavior described in the indictments.
I don't get it. Who could support Trump in light of what they know? Could they publicly share why they support the guy? Help us lefties understand.
The indictment is an embarrassment, but all of your progressives who are ruining our country and dividing it simply ignore the fact that we have a president in office now who sells relationships for money, and by the way, isn't there a case squarely on point reversing that toad of a special prosecutor that says that politicians can lie about elections?
PS Did you like Hunter Biden's comment about being an Aryan god?
I thought you were talking about Miami losing 80k people over 3 years…at a time they are building more condos than ever. Who left and why? Property insurance too high? Renters?
Trump conducted a failed autocoup. This is bats-hit crazy third world stuff. The irony that Trump-World runs on anti-communist messaging while behaving like Hugo Chavez and Nicolas Maduro is rich.
Of course he will be convicted in DC. However, if he were charge in SDFL with the same lies / crimes he would be acquitted. Therein lies the problem and in my opinion why he will be convicted in DC but elected the next president of the United States. He’s popular with a great many great Americans. I know they are not big city elites but if your are ever stuck on the side of the road with a flat tire, they are the types who will pull over and ask to help.
@924: what drugs do you take? And, if I take them too, will I have the same weird hallucinations as you or is there a chance that my trip may be pleasant?
Whataboutisms are not a defense.
Hunter Biden is not an elected or appointed member of our government. So, who gives a crap about him anyway? He's a tool. We all, including his dad, agree. Move on.
If Joe Biden committed a crime (which I haven't seen, but who knows), prosecute his ass too.
And for f&%k's sake, Trump tried to literally overthrow our democracy. WTF is wrong with you?
Dear Lefty,
A lot of republicans feel trump was cheated both when he was impeached twice ( for nothing) and when the cia alums (50 of them) said the laptop was a Russian fake. PS might friend who writes this blog originally said to “ resit “ trump and not my president. PS the left rioted a lot during Trumps term. This fake CIA stuff mentioned bf gave Biden the election and he publicly lied about the laptop worse than trump did about loosing the election. Not everyone can make millions legally and the Bidens made their money lobbying for international criminals. It’s pretty egregious. Forgive us for not being offended by Trump. You guys are not offended by Biden. This is Ben though he so obviously got the Ukraine prosecutor fired because of his son. This FARA bruh. His son made 80k a month of that deal. And Jesus Hunter, at least pay your fucking taxes. So it’s not that we support trump per se. Like u, we vote on party lines. We dont think Biden has done a very good job. And in the end it’s about doing a job - not what crimes they commit. They all commit crimes.
Righty right? Right right.
The DC trial will take 6 months minimum, likely much more. He is not going to be convicted of any federal crimes or serve one day in jail. Either he wins and pardons himself or Biden wins and pardons him. The state cases are the only ones with any potential to see a trial or a sentence, and right now that is NY.
What continues to perplex me is how new attorneys continually think, oh I’m the one to make him listen to my advice. When it crazy obvious that the new guy John Lauro was placating the “Boss”on various shows. Spewing Trumps defense such as it is.
How long will he remain Trumps lawyer? Until he no longer allows Trump to call all the shots
Horace are we playing FF this season?
Yes we are watch these pages in the coming days as soon as prosecutors stop indicting the former president we will slip in a FF post
The Q turned down Trump to handle both cases. Was offered 15 mil.
Insider
Every time you see these Radical Lunatics and their partners in the Fake News Media talking about the ‘Trials and Tribulations’ of President Donald Trump, please remember that it is all a coordinated HOAX, just like Russia, Russia, Russia,” Trump wrote.
He claimed that all of the investigations were done “in order to STEAL ANOTHER ELECTION through PROSECUTORIAL MISCONDUCT at levels never seen before in the U.S. Deranged Jack Smith has already spent over $25,000,000!!!”
To some scholars of U.S. democracy, his response has only deepened a belief that Trump is undermining the American system of governance.
“He is fundamentally saying that he is the law and that anything which brings a law to bear against him undermines what he perceives as America,” Tribe said. “That’s the very inverse of what most of us think America is all about. It’s about more than any one person — however charismatic, however adored by his followers.”
Meacham called it “the vernacular of a dictator.”
The last time a prosecutor used the phrase seismic shift to a lawyer they ate a seismic fart.
Not to be a spelling scold but isn’t it a seismic shift?
@244pm: I repeat my question, what drugs are you taking?
"Like u, we vote on party lines. We dont think Biden has done a very good job. And in the end it’s about doing a job - not what crimes they commit."
No, I do not vote party lines. I voted for a 3rd party candidate in 2000, Kerry in 2004, McCain in 2008, Obama in 2012, Clinton in 2016, and Biden in 2020. I have voted closer to home for Jeb Bush, Charlie Crist (when he was a republican), Mel Martinez, and Ileana Ross-Lehtinen, and I have contributed money to Carlos Curbelo's campaigns. Although I have never voted party lines, I was a registered republican for almost 20 years until my party lost its mind and nominated this clown for president.
I do not agree that Trump did an especially good job or that Biden is doing an especially bad job (or vice versa, in fact). My taxes went up during Trump, pandemic era spending all happened during Trump's administration, and inflation (a complicated subject) had its roots in things that happened during the Trump administration. Meanwhile, Biden is fighting an extremely effective proxy war against Putin's Russia and is at the same time sending a clear message to China not to fuck with Taiwan (where we get our microchips from).
But let's set performance debates aside and pretend that Trump's performance was perfect and that Biden is dropping the ball at every turn, as Fox News tells you. The ends do not justify the means. Surrendering our freedoms to a man who was willing to destroy our democracy to remain in power in exchange for a modestly better economy (even a much better economy) is exactly the bargain that Germans made in the 1930s, that Venezuela's poor made for Chavez, and that has been repeated over and over right before countries descend into authoritarian nightmares.
The Founding Fathers rolled over in their graves when they heard the stupid shit you said.
Wow - I hope 2:44 is not a lawyer. If so, I would love to see any court filings by that person. If that comment isn't an indictment of the educational system, I'm not sure what is.
Is it time to rethink the criminal courthouse? Now that the Florida Supreme Court is prepared to create a presumption that all criminal hearings under 30 minutes in length should be conducted via Zoom, see Rule 3.116, wouldn't it be more efficient to reconfigure the building to set up small hearing areas in the judge's chambers that would allow for the public defender and state attorney and the odd defendant or defense attorney to appear in a more informal setting? We could then have a number of courtrooms that the judges have available to them if needed to hold their jury trials or lengthy motion hearings.
Of course, we would need to have areas for in-custody hearings, so perhaps this is only good for misdemeanor and traffic offenses involving non-custodial defendants, or we could create more efficient usage of technology for in-custody defendants to avoid their physical transport to the building.
I think the time has come for us to consider how our old courthouse is designed and make changes that consider this new practice model. What do you think?
Dear 2:44:00 PM;
Your sloppy and disjointed writing shows a sloppy and disorganized brain. One can’t expect trenchant analysis from those who can’t write. Here’s the facts. Your boy, “the Donald,” his son-in-law, and daughter all sold out our nation to our enemies. Whatever grift Hunter engaged in, pales in comparison to the corruption your team engages in.
The government whose people attacked the US on 9/11 agreed to funnel at least $2 billion to Jarad Kushner’s firm, Affinity Partners. In return, the Saudis received not only nearly 40 percent of the firm’s regular management fees, but an additional “stake of at least 28 percent” of Kushner’s firm and recognition as a “cornerstone” investor in this new enterprise.
The Saudis stand responsible for some of the most heinous crimes on the planet—including things like dismembering journalists and the ongoing carpet-bombing of Yemen—but which has launched one of the most successful whitewash operations in Washington. And now, it’s also one of the primary financial backers of a member of the former president’s inner circle, with a direct line to the leader of the Republican Party.
The pitch from Kushner’s firm to its Saudi partners was as crooked as they come. Bookended by vapid corporate pablum (Kushner’s firm claimed it is “accelerating transformation through connectivity”), the firm’s pitch centered on Kushner’s former role in Trump’s White House and the kinds of political connections Kushner could offer Saudi partners. Centering on the “network” that Affinity would bring, Kushner’s firm did little more than point to contacts in the Trump orbit as a reason for investment.
So just STFU about Hunter Biden, you dishonest piece of garbage.
Very troubling that the libs and woke mafia have weaponized DOJ to silence a political rival.
Dear 1:41, very troubling that some lawyers continue to back a world-class criminal who tried to overthrow the government, and parrot his talking points.
@1:41, Trump can say whatever he wants about the election. But he cannot, for example, threaten a government official with criminal consequences if that government official does not knowingly and fraudulently alter election results. That, among other things, is what Donald Trump did to Georgia elections officials.
Donald Trump told the Georgia Secretary of State that he needed to fraudulently manufacture nearly 12,000 votes and that if he didn't get the votes, that the Georgia official would suffer criminal consequences. Trump specifically said, of failing to manufacture the votes, "That's a criminal, you know, that's a criminal offense . . . that's a big risk to you."
1:41, please stop saying stupid things.
Most people vote on party lines. And yes, trump did a good job as president. He was fighting losers like u the entire time also. There is a huge difference between what Jared did and what Hunter did but only a simpleton can’t see the difference. Hunter committed Fara , cheated on his federal income and committed money laundering. The only reason he made money cause his dad is a politician. Decidedly the worst scum on the planet. Hunter is a toothless crack whore. I can see doing coke but crack ? Jared was a real estate giant well before he got involved with the trump administration. Look at his family. No comparison. Plus, the house of Saud are friends of the USA
Pegged oil to the dollar. You probably side with Palestine too. Wanker.
I think 2:44 is Ka$h Patel
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Last but not least … https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1686988121173356544/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1686988121173356544¤tTweetUser=CitizenFreePres
1:41:00 The mafia has become woke?!
They’re giving trump the ol huck~a-buck.
I’ll be the first to call it.
Shumie time for Trump.
They can give him the suite they gave Manuel Noriega. Complete with an exercise bike and tv tuned to Fox. Better yet. As punishment gave him a tv just tuned to MSNBC. Mika and Joe in the morning. He’ll have a stroke.
As if to underscore that point, at least three of the district court judges who have presided over trials of the Trump supporters charged for their roles in the assault on the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, filed into the back row of the visitors gallery to observe. One of them was Judge Amy Berman Jackson, who called out Mr. Trump’s “irresponsible and knowingly false claims that the election was stolen” in imposing a harsh sentence on a rioter who bludgeoned a Capitol Police officer into unconsciousness.
But all eyes in the courtroom were, once again, on the second face-to-face encounter between the former president and Mr. Smith, who has filed charges that could put the 77-year-old Mr. Trump in a federal prison for the rest of his life. This time, unlike in Miami, the two men were positioned in a way that they could be visible to each other.
Biden, by his own admission, held back a billion in aid to Ukraine until the prosecutor who was investigating his sons crooked company was fired. The prosecutor was fired and the money was given to Ukraine. Thereafter a lot of that money was stolen by crooked politicians. Yes “ Grift “ as one poster called it … thereafter however , Trump was impeached and ridiculed for asking questions ( and looking for ) Biden corruption in Ukraine. The horror ! Today, Biden indicts trump who is his sole opponent in the next election. The optics look bad and independent voters overwhelming feel that this is not fair. Biden should Pardon Trump.
This is the beginning of the end of our country.
If the Saudis are our friend, why did they just vote to keep oil prices high by keeping the oil production low?
@432 - there you go again, changing the subject. Try to keep up, will you.
The indictment is not about Jared or Hunter, and whether either of them is a slime bag (spoiler alter, both of them are slime bags). Nothing that Joe Biden or Hitler or Mother Teresa or anyone else who wasn't a co-conspirator did or didn't do has anything to do with it.
The indictment is about Donald Trump and his attempted auto coup d'etat in which he threatened state officials with criminal consequence if they didn't manufacture fraudulent votes, and then, when that didn't work, he ginned up a riot at the Capitol Building, with knowingly false and inflammatory statements, to violently obstruct an election (think falsely yelling "fire" in a crowded theater but times a million).
Up to now, nothing you, or any Trump supporters have said, actually has anything to do with Donald Trump's crimes. And that's not a surprise. Trump's actions are indefensible.
4:32 The difference between Hunter, who I am no fan of, and Jared, is that Hunter never worked for the government or his father. Jared did, and that is where he made his contacts with the Saudis.
I would like government employees and their families to behave like Janet Reno did: take no action that may be considered to be gaining financial advantage based upon who they are or who their father is. Unfortunately, that is not the law. Remember “Billy Beer”? Perhaps now is the time to write stricter ethics codes. Oh wait, the Supreme Court would never approve of that.
We all have opinions although this blog has devolved into many people not being able to distinguish opinion from fact. And ironically, bloggers and commenters generally advocate in favor of criminal defense except when in their opinion the accused is guilty. Well, that’s not what a criminal defense attorney should be.
The blog also loves to make fun of south Florida judges—although recently glowing over Judge Ed Cowart despite a known history of comments that were far from PC, but ostensibly don’t bother the authors here—but this to me is absolutely ridiculous and you would never see our SD Fla judges doing this:
(Chief Judge) Boasberg’s presence in the courtroom was a statement in itself. Alongside him was Judge Amy Berman Jackson, who has in her own courtroom excoriated Republicans who have refused to contradict Trump’s continued lies about the 2020 election. The pair, flanked by other judges and magistrate judges, watched Trump’s every move intently. (From politico.com)
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The Blog gets called out by Dershowitz ! Case closed ! The Dersh is always tight !!
I predicted all four of the indictments. And I also predicted that the Hunter Biden plea bargain would not be accepted. The reason my predictions are correct and Blog is always wrong is Rumpole is always wishful thinking. And mine is just based on my experience. I don't have a horse in the race. I just try to predict based on 60 years of doing this. But the main point of principle that I really want to get over is that, and this applies to both parties, the leading candidate against the incumbent president should never be prosecuted by the attorney general of the president, of course, unless the case against him is overwhelming and beyond any dispute. The Nixon standard is what I call it, that it's so overwhelming that both parties support it. That didn't happen in this third indictment. It's not going to happen in the fourth indictment. It didn't happen in the first New York indictment. It may have happened in the Florida indictment with that one piece of evidence of the president foolishly waiving a piece of classified material in front of a writer and the publisher and saying, 'I could have declassified this when I was president, but I didn't.' But the crime there isn't particularly serious. It's the paper technical crime. So I just don't think that they have it enough against this candidate who's now running 44 to 44 in the New York Times poll to use the criminal justice system to interfere with the election.
Put that orange lying fascist conman in Eglin and let him rake the sandtraps. Or terra haute sounds even better.
I really wonder how anyone with half a brain can suppot trump. Why dont republicans jast say it and admit it, they want all people who are not white christians, who were not born here, who are not hetro DEAD.
10:40 am I keep careful track when I am wrong. For example the last time I was wrong this year was February 11 when I got the time of sunset wrong by 2 minutes and 11 seconds. Still bothers me
But I’ll tell you what I am 100% right about. Donald J loser who never appears to win ( lost the election lost his civil sexual assault law suit and lost every lawsuit he filed challenging the election results. ) will again lose his criminal trial in DC to Jack Smith who is running circuits around him and his lawyers.
And when he loses he blames everyone around him meaning the people he hired. I thought he said he always hires the best people but he appears to always hire the worst. Rex Tillerson anyone? Bill Barr? Mike Pence? Et Al.
Thus also recently occurred to me. When do you think the darling of the religious right has last been to church? Obama went most Sundays. So does Biden. As near as I can tell It’s been years.
Just saying that hypocrite is a coat that appears to fit very well.
Rump I’ve ranked the best cabinet officers in the Carter administration.
4 Sec Def Harold Brown
3 Attorney Gen Benjamin Civiletti
2 CIA dir Admiral Stansfield Turner
1 VP Fritz Mondale who reinvented the Vice Presidency and is the model for all VPs after him.
Based on 22 poor metrics I applied you can argue about 3 and 4. Less than 1.2 points out of 400 separate them but I stand by my choices.
Discuss?
He won in 2016 , no ??
He just called Pence “mentally Ill and deranged “. What does that say about his ability to choose good people? I thought he only picked the best. Yet he always appears to pick the worst. Can you name me ONE cabinet member he has praised?
In the civil sexual assault case that he LOST can you tell me why he picked such a bad lawyer?
Still waiting for the last time he went to church
Pence is not mentally ill?
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