My suggestion is that we continue the discussion of the SAO in the comments section of yesterday's post, and keep the comments here respectful to the loss of this Detective.
I would like to give my condolensces to Det. Walkers loved ones. My heart and prayers goes out to everyone who has lost such a young person. Being a wife of a Sheriff Deputy here in North Carolina, it hits very close to home.
(((I'm curious why Rumpole focuses on local police deaths but not the deaths of South Florida servicemen in Iraq.)))2:58pm
Here is my guess: Rumpole mentions the tragic death of a police officer because this is a miami criminal blog. police officers are part of the miami criminal system. this is just a guess.
let me go further to state that if this was an iraq war blog, general rumpole would mention the tragic deaths of service men and women more often than local police. again, just a guess.
i think that if this was a food blog, we'd be hearing a lot about pumpkin pies and maybe even a little bit about rachel ray.
Thank you 3:27. Longtime and careful readers of the blog will remember my various posts on Veterans day 11/11 ; d-day 6/6; Pearl Harbor 12/7; in which I'd like to think I have eloquently expounded on those who gave the ultimate sacrifice to protect our country. I have railed against the Bush administration's waste of our armed forces for a war based on a lie, and personally I spend a moment in meditation (or I try to ) every day thinking of not only the close to 4 thousand americans who have died in these wars, but the 30 thousand who have been wounded, and the familes who have lost fathers, sons, brothers, husbands. All in all death in a violent and senseless manner- be it the detective today, or the soliders in Iraq and Afghanistan, leaves me feeling empty. Sometimes it can be a very sad world.
While I am not condoning the actions of those who took the life of this detective, there is is an uncomfortable reality that merits discussion. If the police force in this community was a competent one, one which treated the citizens of this community with respect and professionalism, rather than an inept, unprofessional force under whose yoke citizens (especially those of color) feel like they are under armed siege, tragedies like this would happen far less often. When the community being policed feels that every cop is there to screw them and potentially do violence to them, it is sad, but not unpredicitable, when the community fights violence with violence.
4:30 pm, how the hell did you pass the bar examination? It's law enforcement's fault that this officer was killed because of the way law enforcement treats the community? The "community was fighting back?" Are you sane?
Don't attribute the shooter's stupidity to the "community" or the "community fighting back." I'm sure they community doesn't want it.
What no one will talk about with all of these cop killings is the likelihood or at least the possibility that all these habitual offender and gun enhancements make people go to extremes to get away with crime. Otherwise they will rot in jail. Instead of being a deterrent, it instead causes the bad guys to go for broke. Because they know if they get caught, they'll be doing life anyway.
Just a thought and ofcourse this doesn't mean the officer should have been killed. This is absolutely a tragedy, but can we at least address why these cops keep falling from a realistic perspective.
It's amazing how some of you assholes take every opportunity to bash the police...........even taking advantage of an officer's cold blooded murder. Shameful, to say the least.
to 4;30 and 9;32. it is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt. there is no excuse for murder except self defense and defense of others. will the country mourn this murder as much as someone who played 50 football games, i doubt it.
It's not implausible that the oppressed and disenfranchised will lash out. It's not implausible that someone facing a mandatory life sentence would try to remain free.
I don't know the specifics of this situation but certainly people should be allowed to talk about how bad policy effects the welfare of police officers?
Maybe this situation is cut and dry and there are no underlying issues. It's certainly a possibility. But given the perception some people have of law enforcement, it might be a wise course of action to at least talk about some of the perceived problems communities, states, and the nation are facing.
10:19 - the only fool is the one who is too scared to speak the truth for fear of what others will think. I really could care less what you or others think. Its all about my actions in life and not my words anyway. Get a life and stop brown nosing everyone - it really won't get you very far.
I thought this was a post to honor this slain officer. It is really sad that it has become something else. It is distasteful and disrespectful. I guarentee you that when (and they will) in an attempt to find closure during the grieving process), these posts will come up and hurt them.
Detective Wison was man whose family memebers will bear the loss for many years to come. This was a man who was well liked and respected by fellow law enforcement.
I do not know Scott Africa or this edintally dude . Nor do I know who 4:30 pm is, or who the other person spouting off about Iraq but how disrespectful to turn this post into a commentary on black on black crime or excusing the scum based on sentencing guidelines and legislation.
Oh, by the way, before the insults start, and you start crying foul and playing the race card- I am an African American.
Detective Walker was a fine man . May he rest in peace.
I must agreee with ScottAfrica and others who make what I believe to be valid observations with respect to actions creating reactions. Pointing out what to some of us is obvious (heavy-handed policing and draconian sentences may well generate resistance from a criminal element), is NOT making excuses. They are offering theories in explanation. No one defends these murderous actions by seeking or offering insight as to why they may occur or how they may be prevented or reduced in number. As to passing the bar exam in spite of having political or sociological thoughts about current events, that question reveals a mind that believes everything in life is law, as opposed to actual human experience that law books rarely explain.
There is something to be said about longevity. Experience can be more important than education or the title of lawyer. 20 years as a criminal lawyer has caused me to have a much different perspective than when I was a young naive prosecutor. When a scared desparate angry young man kills someone with a gun the last thing on his mind is the 10 20 life law, whether he has priors and qualifies as an hfo, or whether he will be caught. He is desparate because, with little exception, our society has made him so. Whether it is a lack of parenting, dropping out of school, peer pressure (gangs), extreme poverty, a drug problem etc. the simple fact is that as long as our society puts a premium on ignoring those who need our help we will have 12-15000 handgun murders a year. Brittny Spears has a drug problem and her sister is pregnant and get 1 million dollar for giving an interview about getting pregnant as an unmarried teen probably by an act of statutory rape and she is rewarded with more money than pd and sapd's make in 15 years. I can think of no example of how FUCKED UP our society is and has been for about 20 years now. I hope Obama and God forbid Clinton are elected because they at least have some interest in these issues. We are a violent society, where 75% of Americans can barely pay their exhorbitant bills of taxes, insurance, child care, mortgage etc. We live beyond our means to keep up with the Joneses and then declare bankruptcy when it catches up to us. We allow people to sleep on sidewalks, even in freezing weather while thousands of American own more than one home and thousands of housing units of the rich are vacant and only used a few days of the year. We have a military inductrial complex which wages war every two years with SOMEBODY for the last 60 years, and we incarcerate the poor more than any other nations. But we love cars, sports, jewelry, illegal drugs,guns and extravagance. Our society is on the brink of collapse and within 25 years we will have another depression in this country if the rest of the world doesn't gang up on our bully mentality before then. 100 years ago England ran the world, for the last 50 years we have and now American need to start getting used to the fact that we are on a downward slope and in 25 years we will be the equivalent of England, France, Germany. The world is sick of our military bullying the world. So start saving your money, you will need it. P.S. in the time it took me to write this probably 25 americans were killed in car accidents, gun violence, or by drunk drivers. My advice to Miami- before building another high rise empty condo or opera house how about the state's largest juvenile play area full of parks, computers, indoor basketball, pool tables, video games etc. Spend 500 million and take a leadership role in the country on how to prevent crime, not deal with it after it happens which has been the way our society has dealt with juvenile crime for the last 20 years. No shortage of money for jails, judges, asas, etc. but it takes alex rodriquey and alonzo mourning to fund crime prevention in miami, what a fucked up city.
i love when people say that we should build a park instead of a condo. the only problem is that real estate developers are in the business of condos and not parks. this is not a socialist country. building a park involves the government, and building a condo involves private business. they are mutually exclusive.
if developers did build parks and give computers to kids, they would all be unemployed, as would the construction workers, bankers, lawyers, etc involved in the building of a condo. who exactly is going to pay the condo developers to build parks and give away computers?
5:41...........10:16 (aka BTDT) here. Get some sleep. Obviously you missed my point and/or are lumping too many posts together. I don't disagree that some hard core criminals will be more prone to use violence against police to avoid being caught because of tough laws. In fact, I'm sure that's true (that doesn't, of course, justify weakening the laws). And, I never said otherwise.
I take issue with the idea that some community in Dade (other than the criminal element) is targeting cops because of their alleged unprofessionalism. THAT is a load of crap. The murderers who killed Walker don't represent the community. And, hopefully, they'll be caught and punished appropriately.
to 514, you simpleminded fuck, the point of the post is that no money is being spent by the government on crime prevention but billions are spent a year on dealing with it after the fact. no go to your alumni meeting at whatever online law school you went to.
My suggestion is that we continue the discussion of the SAO in the comments section of yesterday's post, and keep the comments here respectful to the loss of this Detective.
ReplyDeleteJust a suggestion.
I would like to give my condolensces to Det. Walkers loved ones. My heart and prayers goes out to everyone who has lost such a young person. Being a wife of a Sheriff Deputy here in North Carolina, it hits very close to home.
ReplyDeleteI feel bad for Walker.
ReplyDeleteI'm curious why Rumpole focuses on local police deaths but not the deaths of South Florida servicemen in Iraq.
hey does anyone know about al goodman?? is it true?? god i hope not
ReplyDeleteto the genius who wrote this:
ReplyDelete(((I'm curious why Rumpole focuses on local police deaths but not the deaths of South Florida servicemen in Iraq.)))2:58pm
Here is my guess: Rumpole mentions the tragic death of a police officer because this is a miami criminal blog. police officers are part of the miami criminal system. this is just a guess.
let me go further to state that if this was an iraq war blog, general rumpole would mention the tragic deaths of service men and women more often than local police. again, just a guess.
i think that if this was a food blog, we'd be hearing a lot about pumpkin pies and maybe even a little bit about rachel ray.
i hope this helps.
Thank you 3:27. Longtime and careful readers of the blog will remember my various posts on Veterans day 11/11 ; d-day 6/6; Pearl Harbor 12/7; in which I'd like to think I have eloquently expounded on those who gave the ultimate sacrifice to protect our country. I have railed against the Bush administration's waste of our armed forces for a war based on a lie, and personally I spend a moment in meditation (or I try to ) every day thinking of not only the close to 4 thousand americans who have died in these wars, but the 30 thousand who have been wounded, and the familes who have lost fathers, sons, brothers, husbands. All in all death in a violent and senseless manner- be it the detective today, or the soliders in Iraq and Afghanistan, leaves me feeling empty. Sometimes it can be a very sad world.
ReplyDeleteWhile I am not condoning the actions of those who took the life of this detective, there is is an uncomfortable reality that merits discussion. If the police force in this community was a competent one, one which treated the citizens of this community with respect and professionalism, rather than an inept, unprofessional force under whose yoke citizens (especially those of color) feel like they are under armed siege, tragedies like this would happen far less often. When the community being policed feels that every cop is there to screw them and potentially do violence to them, it is sad, but not unpredicitable, when the community fights violence with violence.
ReplyDeleteRump,
ReplyDeleteThe guy who made the comment about Iraq is a jerk.
Of course we all honor our losses of our great service men and women.
Only a single issue jerk would make such a comment.
Now about officer, may he rest in peace.
4:30 pm, how the hell did you pass the bar examination? It's law enforcement's fault that this officer was killed because of the way law enforcement treats the community? The "community was fighting back?" Are you sane?
ReplyDeleteDon't attribute the shooter's stupidity to the "community" or the "community fighting back." I'm sure they community doesn't want it.
What no one will talk about with
ReplyDeleteall of these cop killings is the
likelihood or at least the possibility that all these habitual offender and gun enhancements make people go to extremes to get away with crime. Otherwise they will rot in
jail. Instead of being a deterrent,
it instead causes the bad guys to
go for broke. Because they know if they get caught, they'll be doing
life anyway.
Just a thought and ofcourse this doesn't mean the officer should have been killed. This is absolutely a tragedy, but can we
at least address why these cops
keep falling from a realistic
perspective.
ScottAfrica
It's amazing how some of you assholes take every opportunity to bash the police...........even taking advantage of an officer's cold blooded murder. Shameful, to say the least.
ReplyDeleteto 4;30 and 9;32. it is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt. there is no excuse for murder except self defense and defense of others. will the country mourn this murder as much as someone who played 50 football games, i doubt it.
ReplyDelete6:56, 10:16, 10:19,
ReplyDeleteWhy the insults?
It's not implausible that the oppressed and disenfranchised will lash out. It's not implausible that someone facing a mandatory life sentence would try to remain free.
I don't know the specifics of this situation but certainly people should be allowed to talk about how bad policy effects the welfare of police officers?
Maybe this situation is cut and dry and there are no underlying issues. It's certainly a possibility. But given the perception some people have of law enforcement, it might be a wise course of action to at least talk about some of the perceived problems communities, states, and the nation are facing.
10:19 - the only fool is the one who is too scared to speak the truth for fear of what others will
ReplyDeletethink. I really could care less what you or others think. Its all about my actions in life and not my words anyway. Get a life and stop brown nosing everyone - it
really won't get you very far.
ScottAfrica
i saw a photograph of the suspect in this tragic case and was shocked, who would have thought a young thug would have an ak-47.
ReplyDeletethis city is a giant ghetto
I thought this was a post to honor this slain officer. It is really sad that it has become something else. It is distasteful and disrespectful. I guarentee you that when (and they will) in an attempt to find closure during the grieving process), these posts will come up and hurt them.
ReplyDeleteDetective Wison was man whose family memebers will bear the loss for many years to come. This was a man who was well liked and respected by fellow law enforcement.
I do not know Scott Africa or this edintally dude . Nor do I know who 4:30 pm is, or who the other person spouting off about Iraq but how disrespectful to turn this post into a commentary on black on black crime or excusing the scum based on sentencing guidelines and legislation.
Oh, by the way, before the insults start, and you start crying foul and playing the race card- I am an African American.
Detective Walker was a fine man . May he rest in peace.
I must agreee with ScottAfrica and others who make what I believe to be valid observations with respect to actions creating reactions. Pointing out what to some of us is obvious (heavy-handed policing and draconian sentences may well generate resistance from a criminal element), is NOT making excuses. They are offering theories in explanation. No one defends these murderous actions by seeking or offering insight as to why they may occur or how they may be prevented or reduced in number. As to passing the bar exam in spite of having political or sociological thoughts about current events, that question reveals a mind that believes everything in life is law, as opposed to actual human experience that law books rarely explain.
ReplyDeleteThere is something to be said about longevity. Experience can be more important than education or the title of lawyer. 20 years as a criminal lawyer has caused me to have a much different perspective than when I was a young naive prosecutor. When a scared desparate angry young man kills someone with a gun the last thing on his mind is the 10 20 life law, whether he has priors and qualifies as an hfo, or whether he will be caught. He is desparate because, with little exception, our society has made him so. Whether it is a lack of parenting, dropping out of school, peer pressure (gangs), extreme poverty, a drug problem etc. the simple fact is that as long as our society puts a premium on ignoring those who need our help we will have 12-15000 handgun murders a year. Brittny Spears has a drug problem and her sister is pregnant and get 1 million dollar for giving an interview about getting pregnant as an unmarried teen probably by an act of statutory rape and she is rewarded with more money than pd and sapd's make in 15 years. I can think of no example of how FUCKED UP our society is and has been for about 20 years now. I hope Obama and God forbid Clinton are elected because they at least have some interest in these issues. We are a violent society, where 75% of Americans can barely pay their exhorbitant bills of taxes, insurance, child care, mortgage etc. We live beyond our means to keep up with the Joneses and then declare bankruptcy when it catches up to us. We allow people to sleep on sidewalks, even in freezing weather while thousands of American own more than one home and thousands of housing units of the rich are vacant and only used a few days of the year. We have a military inductrial complex which wages war every two years with SOMEBODY for the last 60 years, and we incarcerate the poor more than any other nations. But we love cars, sports, jewelry, illegal drugs,guns and extravagance. Our society is on the brink of collapse and within 25 years we will have another depression in this country if the rest of the world doesn't gang up on our bully mentality before then. 100 years ago England ran the world, for the last 50 years we have and now American need to start getting used to the fact that we are on a downward slope and in 25 years we will be the equivalent of England, France, Germany. The world is sick of our military bullying the world. So start saving your money, you will need it. P.S. in the time it took me to write this probably 25 americans were killed in car accidents, gun violence, or by drunk drivers. My advice to Miami- before building another high rise empty condo or opera house how about the state's largest juvenile play area full of parks, computers, indoor basketball, pool tables, video games etc. Spend 500 million and take a leadership role in the country on how to prevent crime, not deal with it after it happens which has been the way our society has dealt with juvenile crime for the last 20 years. No shortage of money for jails, judges, asas, etc. but it takes alex rodriquey and alonzo mourning to fund crime prevention in miami, what a fucked up city.
ReplyDeletei love when people say that we should build a park instead of a condo. the only problem is that real estate developers are in the business of condos and not parks. this is not a socialist country. building a park involves the government, and building a condo involves private business. they are mutually exclusive.
ReplyDeleteif developers did build parks and give computers to kids, they would all be unemployed, as would the construction workers, bankers, lawyers, etc involved in the building of a condo. who exactly is going to pay the condo developers to build parks and give away computers?
ScottAfrica........you're full of it. If you don't care what people think of you or your ideas, why don't you use your real name?
ReplyDelete5:41...........10:16 (aka BTDT) here. Get some sleep. Obviously you missed my point and/or are lumping too many posts together. I don't disagree that some hard core criminals will be more prone to use violence against police to avoid being caught because of tough laws. In fact, I'm sure that's true (that doesn't, of course, justify weakening the laws). And, I never said otherwise.
ReplyDeleteI take issue with the idea that some community in Dade (other than the criminal element) is targeting cops because of their alleged unprofessionalism. THAT is a load of crap. The murderers who killed Walker don't represent the community. And, hopefully, they'll be caught and punished appropriately.
to 514, you simpleminded fuck, the point of the post is that no money is being spent by the government on crime prevention but billions are spent a year on dealing with it after the fact. no go to your alumni meeting at whatever online law school you went to.
ReplyDelete